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The Why Don’t You… Yes But Game (aka How To Break The Cycle Of Pointless Conversations) — 6 Comments

  1. This all seems predicated on the belief that circumstances are irrelevant factors, which just isn’t how real life works. Pretty common logical fallacy for people who often seek out the “rescuer” role, as you’ve described it. Usually if somebody is stonewalling you this way, you aren’t actually a rescuer; you’re an interrogator, and the “victim” has no interest in actually getting into things with you. Most likely because you’ve demonstrated a total inability to appreciate when a situation really is hopeless or cannot be overcome through tenacity and willpower alone.

    And if a person keeps coming to you with the same kind of problem and you end up in the same game again and again? That’s because the only way for the problem to be solved is with your help, and the one solution you consistently refuse to offer is that help. No amount of bootstraps rhetoric is going to overcome a disability or a legality. No amount of infantile “aw poor bored baby” examples are going to be adequate enough to address the “problem” your entire post exists to condemn.

    • Hi there, interesting comment & thanks for making it.

      This game could indeed be a cry for help and I don’t think the article is condemning anything but just pointing out that this kind of behaviour is in fact a pattern and as human beings we do often fall into patterns (or ‘games’) – the article suggests that this particular game has some deeper meaning, subconscious reasons for the particular pattern of behaviour.

      It’s not the only example of such a pattern either, there are loads of them. If you’re interested in this kind of thing you should read a book called ‘The Games That People Play’ by Eric Berne. That’s not where Isabelle got this article from, I think she came across Eric Berne when looking into TA, but since reading this article myself I read more about Eric Berne’s work and then read that book which I personally found fascinating.

      So your point is interesting & thanks for making it but I’m pretty sure Isabelle wasn’t condemning anything in this article.

      p.s. apologies for taking so long to pick up your comment & reply

  2. Interesting idea – bring the discussion back to the real source of the problem. That’s a great idea, I’ll remember that when I’m in a discussion like that next time. There’s always a temptation to just ignore a conversation like this – they don’t seem to go anywhere so I tend to tune out. But if you get to the real source of the problem, you can actually make some good out of it.

    • If you care about them, helping them move on is, I believe, the right thing to do…
      If… they are receptive.
      Sometimes they’re just not ready to get out of the game just yet. They want the attention. They want to keep being a victim.
      Then, tuning out is not a bad idea because you’re not playing their game. Chances are, they’ll turn to somebody else who will get sucked in their game. But at least, you won’t be used.
      Best wishes

  3. Great post! I will use the new response with my 4yr old when he says he is bored 🙂
    Also I agree It is easy to get drawn into the “games” created by others .
    I like your idea of using the coaches approach, I think where appropriate it could work nicely and take a lot of the emotional stress away from the person on the receiving end.

    • Thanks Raquel for your comment.
      I really like the coaches approach too: it puts the onus on the person with the problem to find an approach that suits them and, because they choose the approach, they own it too. Very powerful.

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